How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

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How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » August 15th, 2017, 11:16 am

I am looking at used boats at the moment and have singled out a1986 22' Boston Whaler Revenge that I really like.
Everything is reasonably fine (as per surveyor and sea trial) expect that the 2004 Honda 225hp has 1500h on it. I don't see many boats for sale with such high numbers.
Is that a clear 'run away' signal or worth to have the motor inspected?
Would anyone buy a boat with that many hours on the motor?
Is it worth much more than the hull?
Appreciate any feedback
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Bill McIntyre » August 15th, 2017, 11:19 am

I don't know the answer, but I'll be interested in hearing what people have to say. My Volvo I/O has over 2200 hours on it and I'm worried about it.
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby castronova » August 15th, 2017, 12:06 pm

Like anything else, it depends. I rather have an 04' with 1500 hours than 100 hours. But, specifically, the 2004 Yamaha 225 hp block was one of the years with the dry exhaust corrosion issue. I would see if that motor was definitely in that line, and if so see if the owner had the exhaust replaced already. If not I would not even think of purchasing it without that price negotiated in. The exhaust rebuild for the motor is around $3,500 (corrected, thought it was $1,600) from what I remember. You can have a mechanic check it after that and it would probably be worth the money. You could also get a pressure gauge to test the cylinders yourself, it is very easy. Of course that only checks one thing.

I just repowered my boat but mainly because I take long trips like this past weekend, 90 miles from home and 220 miles overall. But the motors I had before were 2001 Yamaha HPDI 200's and I sold them with 1,000 hours and they are still running strong 2 years later. If they have 1,500 hours and were maintained every year I don't think it would be too bad. Outside of the corrosion issue I think that motor was a good block for Yamaha. Depends how you plan on using it too. If you are going to put 200 hours a year like I do then you may want something with less hours unless you will be ready to repower in a few years.
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » August 15th, 2017, 12:25 pm

Thanks, that is very good info.
I'll (unfortunately) be a typical weekend warrior with 50-70mi total trips every other weekend max. Probably less than 100h per year.
If you would on me the value of the motors when you sold them, that would help me too as I could compare to the value the surveyor put onbit
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby castronova » August 15th, 2017, 12:35 pm

I corrected the exhaust repair price above, $3,500 is what it was.

I sold my 200's, which were 2 strokes, with controls, gauges, fuel flow meters, oil tanks, and props, $7,500 for the pair. They had been covered their whole life, paint looked perfect on the cowling. They had also been sprayed down with corrosion inhibitor their whole life so they looked very new under the cowling. No rusted clips, screw heads, etc. Hope this gives you a good comparison. You can find more information than you can read in a week on that motor over at thehulltruth.com
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » August 15th, 2017, 3:07 pm

Sorry mixed it up, correction: it's a Honda not Yamaha
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Westbury » August 15th, 2017, 10:10 pm

call Eric Peterson at Specialty Marine in Oxnard.
He's the Honda outboard dealer
he's super knowledgable about these motors
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby rhyne » August 16th, 2017, 7:22 am

overall, depends on the maintenance schedule for that motor and how well it was maintained. It's also a good idea to have a mechanic inspect them if you're not sure what to look for yourself. I would NEVER buy a motor without doing at least a compression and/or leak down test. but as was said, there are other aspects worth investigating too.
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » August 16th, 2017, 10:45 am

I would definitely do that, but I am debating if it's even worth spending that money.
It seems no one said 'run away' immediately and it might still be worth it
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby chris oak » August 16th, 2017, 10:54 am

Def talk to specialty marine and have the engine checked before you buy, I've heard a lot of great things about Eric. I'm not sure what year we had but our work boat had an earlier honda bf225 4 stroke, there was a problem with the bearing in the shaft and it froze and caused major damage. We had several problems with our engine and eventually pulled it and put a yamaha 4 stroke on it because we were tired of having the boat in the shop every month. Maintenance is the key, if the guy who owned it was religious on doing all the service the motor can run a long time.
But if he skipped or neglected things then small problems become giant ones. Did the surveyor say the gas tank was fine as well as hull from water intrusion?
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » August 16th, 2017, 3:05 pm

Yeah, the hull is in good shape.
Also just received info from latest inspection: "cylinder 3 is 150psi all other 195-200" is a hand written note on the receipt.
How bad is that?
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby chris oak » August 16th, 2017, 5:57 pm

That sounds pretty bad, but I'd run it by an expert. I think I remember my mech saying something like 10 percent off is the line. It could be something as simple as carbon buildup, or something very bad but there's no use speculating because you want a real mechanic looking at it for advise.
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby castronova » August 17th, 2017, 6:01 am

That sounds like a big drop on one cylinder, they should be within 10 percent of each other. That is also very high PSI numbers, never heard them that high before. The 3 or 4 motors i've tested have never had a cylinder above 120 PSI. Not saying that is an issue, could just be how Honda outboards are.

I had a deposit on a boat in Sarasota and sent it to a Merc mechanic to test the motors. 110 - 115 across the board except cylinder 6 on the port, 60 PSI. That motor had to be completely rebuilt. It was considered blown. On the sea trail you had no idea that motor had an issue. Paying that mechanic saved me a ton of money.
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby Schwaman » September 21st, 2017, 9:06 am

thanks guys. I passed on this boat and am glad I did.
in the meantime bought a different one with almost new motor
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby rhyne » September 22nd, 2017, 7:05 am

Congrats.... what'd ya get? show us some boat porn
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Re: How many hours is too much? (Boat question)

Postby castronova » September 24th, 2017, 6:11 pm

rhyne wrote:Congrats.... what'd ya get? show us some boat porn


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